08012007PZMinutesCITY OF AMMON
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 1, 2007
AMENDED AGENDA
I.Pledge of Allegiance:
II.Minutes:
June 6, 2007 and July 11, 2007
III.Public Hearings:
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1.
2007-025 – Conditional Use Permit – 2545 E 17 St.
IV.Action Items:
1.
Action and public hearing recommendation on hearing 2007-025
2.
Site Plan - Lincoln Industrial – KVO Cabinets
3.
Site Plan – Majestic Acres – Simmons Professional Plaza
4.
Variance – Citizens Community Bank – Reduction of sign setback from street
5.
Replat and Final Plat – Ammon Town site – Pulley Subdivision #1
6.
Preliminary Plat – Oak Ridge Division #2
7.
Site Plan - Family Care Center
V.Discussion Items:
1.
August work session
VI.Reports:
1.
City Council actions
2.
City of Idaho Falls Planning and Zoning actions – Cindy Donovan
3.
Bonneville County Planning and Zoning actions – Tom Hunsaker
VII.Call for Adjournment:
MINUTES
The meeting was called to order by Vice Chairman Jarin Hammer at 7:00 p.m. in the City Building at 2135 South
Ammon Road, Ammon, Idaho
Members Present
: Jarin Hammer, Vice Chairman
Tom Hunsaker
Greg Maeser
Quinn Simmons
Scott Wessel
Members Absent
: Richard Jaussi
Robert Gustafson
Cindy Donovan, Chairman
City Officials Present
: Ron Folsom, Planning Director
Gay Leming, Deputy Clerk
City Officials Absent
: None
Tom Hunsaker led the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
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MINUTES:
June 6, 2007: Greg Maeser commented there was a typo on page 1 under the minute’s portion -
change “are” to “have”. Tom Hunsaker page 2 change to “surrounding to the north and west”, page 4 Hawkes
Landing change to “they will getting the alleys to 26 ft. at certain points” and reports “inform the commission what
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issues were discussed”. Greg Maeser motioned to approve the June 6 minutes as corrected. Quinn Simmons
seconded. All in favor, the motion passed.
July 11, 2007: Tom Hunsaker clarified on Montessori a grammatical error on the minutes which was given
to Gay for correction. Greg Maeser motioned to accept the minutes for July 11, 2007 as amended. Greg Maeser
seconded. All in favor, the motion passed.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
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1. 2007-025 – Conditional Use Permit – 2545 E. 17 St.:
Planning Director Ron Folsom explained this is a
request to sell ATVs and scooters out of the Jackson Food Store location. He explained where the property is
located and stated it is zoned C1. He explained that in our ordinance we do not address these specific items, but the
first zone we allow a used car lot, which is the closet to what they are doing, is a HC-1.
Jason Seamons, 370 Hummingbird Lane Shelley, stated his intention is to run an ATV dealership. He
stated he can fit everything in the building and would like to display some on the sidewalk outside. Quinn Simmons
inquired which sidewalk he was referring to. Jason stated it would be the one immediately adjacent to the building.
Quinn inquired if they are currently under lease there. Jason stated no, not yet. Quinn inquired if they will all be
new. Jason stated 95% will be new because they will get an occasional trade in. Quinn inquired if repairs will be
done somewhere else. Jason agreed. Scott inquired if they have plans for decommissioning of the gas tanks. Jason
stated the plan is to remove the pump and leave the tanks in the ground. Scott inquired if DEQ will sign off on that.
Ron Folsom stated as long they keep the tanks inspected. Quinn inquired about signage and presentation there.
Jason stated just a few minor changes. Tom Hunsaker inquired what “along the road” means in the description
given to the Commission. Jason stated he thinks he was referring to the elevated curb. They will not be in the line
of traffic. It was discussed that they had adequate parking. Scott inquired what happens at night. Jason stated
everything goes in at night. Tom Hunsaker inquired about the interior. Jason stated they will not change anything
in the interior. Tom Hunsaker inquired about test driving and the noise level. Jason stated the ATVs are quiet.
Scott inquired about the fuel inside the vehicles in the building. Jason stated there is fuel in them. Ron Folsom
stated the fire inspection will address that.
Jarin Hammer closed the public hearing. Greg Maeser stated the only concern is to have certain conditions
as far as time, storage and those kinds of things. Otherwise he doesn’t see a problem with recommending approval.
Tom Hunsaker stated his initial take was he thought it would be too busy or noise, but feels that has changed with
what has been discussed. He talked about changing our ordinance to reflect this type of use. Quinn Simmons stated
he feels it is a good fit for the area. He talked about making sure signage and display are okay. Scott Wessel stated
he would only hate to see a bunch of old equipment on display, but if we can write that in the condition, then he is
okay. The Commission discussed the conditions they would like to have for the CUP. They discussed test driving.
Shelly Seamons, 370 Hummingbird Lane Shelley, inquired if scooters could be tested off the property. She
stated ATVs would not be allowed on the road. Jarin Hammer stated he opened the public hearing again. Jarin
Hammer closed the public hearing for the second time.
The Commission discussed the conditions for the CUP. The lease time was discussed. Jason stated his
lease is for 3 years.
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Quinn Simmons motioned to grant a conditional use permit for the property at 2545 E. 17 St. with the
following conditions:
1) The hours of operation will not be extended beyond 8 am to 10 pm, 7 days a week.
2) No outside storage.
3) The signage does not increase or add to.
4) The outdoor displays don’t encroach upon the parking spaces to maintain required parking and outdoor
displays will not extend beyond normal business hours.
5) The CUP will expire in 3 years or at the termination of their lease.
6) All testing will remain on the property except for licensed vehicles.
7) No repairs or maintenance at that location.
Scott Wessel seconded. All in favor, the motion passed.
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ACTION ITEMS:
1. Action and public hearing recommendation on hearing 2007-025:
Quinn Simmons motioned to not
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recommend a second public hearing for the conditional use permit for the property located at 2545 E. 17 Street.
Greg Maeser seconded. All in favor, the motion passed.
2. Site Plan – Lincoln Industrial – KVO Cabinets:
Planning Director Ron Folsom explained where the property
is located. Alan Cunningham, representing KVO Cabinets, explained the changes they made with accesses. He
explained there are some changes from where the curb is due to loading and unloading. Quinn inquired if there will
be parking around the back. Alan stated they will not. Tom Hunsaker inquired what “canopy roof and screen walls”
means. Alan stated he cannot answer what that is. Tom Hunsaker inquired about the example about the big wheeler
and it blocking the sidewalk and wants to know if that will really happen. Alan explained he is not sure, but they are
not permanent if they are unloading and loading. Quinn inquired what the distance from the building to sidewalk is.
It was discussed it was about 75 feet. Scott inquired if the hydrant is there. Alan said it is. Ron Folsom inquired if
the building will be sprinkled. Alan stated he did not know. Scott stated he thinks it is. Greg Maeser motioned to
approve the Site Plan for Lincoln Industrial – KVO Cabinets as presented. Scott Wessel seconded. All in favor, the
motion passed.
3. Site Plan – Majestic Acres – Simmons Professional Plaza:
Planning Director Ron Folsom stated these
changes were due to staff review. He explained where the property is located. Ryan Loftus, 10727 N. Yellowstone,
stated he was here representing Aspen Engineering. He explained the changes made since the last time it was
presented back in 2003. He explained they now have a retention pond for storm water. They also increased the
building sizes, from 29000 as an aggregate to now 32000 as an aggregate number for all 7 buildings. They also
allowed for emergency vehicle access. He explained there will be new curb and gutter. He mentioned there are 126
parking stalls and they only need 106. They do not cross any lot lines with any buildings either. Scott inquired
about the portion that was excavated and if it will be raised. Ryan explained the plans for that portion and it will be
raised. Scott also inquired about the water coming off of the east side and if it goes into the storm system. Ryan
explained they should be able catch it all. Jarin inquired if they plan to sell these individually. Ryan explained they
would. The lot lines were discussed. Greg Maeser motioned to approve the Site Plan for Majestic Acres – Simmons
Professional Plaza as presented. Quinn Simmons seconded. All in favor, the motion passed.
4. Variance – Citizens Community Bank – Reduction of sign setback from street:
Planning Director Ron
Folsom explained where the property is located. He explained when this building was placed it was not 30 feet off
the street as the ordinance states. He stated since they opened they put up a drive thru sign. They would like to take
that sign out and replace it with a reader board. He explained from the front of the sidewalk to the building is 17
feet and green space is 12 feet. Bertha Cain, Blaze Sign Co. Pocatello, Idaho, stated they intended to move the sign
closer to the building. She stated she is not sure where the property line is. She explained Citizens Bank has used
this type of signs at three other locations but they are much bigger. They are trying to eliminate too much signage
with one bigger sign. Scott inquired if the banners meet the code. It was discussed they do. Scott inquired who
made the 13 foot mistake. It was discussed it was signed off by the City. Tom Hunsaker inquired about where the
sign is and if it will make it hard for people driving out to see other traffic. Bertha explained it will be closer to the
building and it should not be a problem. The size of the sign was discussed. The Commission read through the
variance. Ron Folsom stated if we do not want to allow banners, we need to go to the sign ordinance and fix it there.
Bertha stated they may keep the yellow sign that is there. Tom Hunsaker motioned to recommend to the Board of
Adjustment that they grant the variance for Citizens Community Bank for the reduction of the sign setback from the
street provided that the specific sign presented tonight is used and it being placed as close to the building as practical
for traffic purposes. This will be based upon its meeting the 7 criteria that we have in Title 10, Chapter 9, Section
8B. Greg Maeser seconded. All in favor, the motion passed.
5. Replat and Final Plat – Ammon Town site – Pulley Subdivision #1:
Planning Director Ron Folsom explained
where the property is located. Alan Cunningham explained this is a replat of Lot 3 of Block 5 of the old original
Ammon town site. He would like to put five residential lots there. There is 99 feet of right of ways. He explained
the side yards are in compliance. Scott inquired how wide the lots. Alan stated he believes some are 85, one is 90
and one is 103. The minimum requirement is 80 for R1. Scott inquired if there are any other existing buildings.
Alan stated he has a home and a couple of sheds. Quinn Simmons motioned to recommend that the replat and final
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plat for the Ammon Town site – Pulley Subdivision #1 be approved. Scott Wessel seconded. All in favor, the
motion passed.
6. Preliminary Plat – Oak Ridge Division #2:
Planning Director Ron Folsom explained where the property is
located. Mike Arneson at Harper-Leavitt Engineering explained the preliminary plat to the Commission. It was
discussed single family dwellings. They are identical lot sizes to what is already there. There was concern on
platting a commercial lot with access only through an R-1 area. Discussion was that the developer should be aware
that access via a residential neighborhood was not allowed and that until a different access was developed no site
plan would be approved. Greg Maeser motioned to approve the preliminary plat for Oak Ridge Division #2. Scott
Wessel seconded. All in favor, the motion passed.
7. Site Plan – Family Care Center:
Planning Director Ron Folsom explained where the property is located. He
explained the preliminary site plan was presented in May of 2005. There is no landscape requirement on this
particular property because they only have their driveway adjacent to the arterial. Mike Arneson at Harper-Leavitt
Engineering explained how the site sits and the lift station. There is only a 30 foot easement that runs to Hitt Road.
There is a 24 foot wide road and the lift station is in that road. Ron explained the lift station is temporary. Mike
explained they may engineer around that. Mike also explained they have down scaled the site a little bit from the
first plan in 2005. There are 3 different retention ponds. There is a second access with gravel for emergency vehicle
access. It was discussed water is not needed at this time. Tom Hunsaker inquired about the oval retention area.
Scott inquired if you can turn a fire engine around in there. Mike said yes. Tom Hunsaker motioned that we
recommend to City Council that we approve the site plan for the Family Care Center as presented. Quinn Simmons
seconded. All in favor, the motion passed.
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DISCUSSION ITEMS:
1. August work session:
Ron Folsom inquired about a possible work session, but stated he will not be able to be
there. It was decided not to have a work session.
Ron also mentioned to the Commission to keep in mind the ATV dealership scenario and the zone it should
be included in.
REPORTS:
1. City Council actions:
Ron Folsom stated he missed the meeting. He explained they did approve the conditional
use permit for the Lighthouse Montessori School. He explained a two year limit on it.
2. City of Idaho Falls Planning and Zoning actions:
Cindy Donovanwas absent.
3. Bonneville County Planning and Zoning actions:
Tom Hunsaker stated he did not attend the Ammon P&Z
meeting, held the same night as the Bonneville P&Z meeting, in order to be at the Bonneville meeting to address
treatment of a property within Iona’s impact area with potential impact on treatment of properties within Ammon’s
impact area.
The meeting adjourned at 9:00 p.m.
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Jarin Hammer, Vice Chairman
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Leslie Folsom, City Clerk
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